[COM] South Road Superway | $842m | 3km

[Norman]

Yes.

[Will]

The South Road and Grange/Port Road underpass has been delayed for another year

From the Messenger:

South Rd on hold

Chantelle Kroehn

18Jun08

SOUTH Rd traders and residents will have to wait another two years at least to find out whether their properties will need to be bulldozed as part of the upgrade between Torrens Rd and Grange Rd.

The State Government notified property owners along South Rd last week the upgrade had been further delayed by a year, with construction not expected to start for at least another three years.

The exact route of the upgrade will not be known for another two years.

Transport Department spokesman Ross Stargatt said in a June 10 letter to residents, the project had been delayed while the government carried out more detailed planning on creating a non-stop motorway from the Southern Expressway to the Port River Expressway.

The Federal Government has allocated $2.6 million to SA for the review in its 2008/09 budget, following a 2007 election promise of $500 million towards upgrading South Rd.

"A key aspect of this planning will be a review of the priority and staging of all the major works along the length of the corridor," Mr Stargatt said.

"Accordingly, I advise that the upgrade of South Rd from Grange Rd to Torrens Rd will be deferred until completion of this important work.

"This means that there will be no major construction works along South Rd between Grange Rd and Torrens Rd for at least another three years."

The State Government first announced the South Rd upgrade in 2005.

The South Road Action Group, which is made up of residents and businesses along South Rd, did not want to comment on the delay until members had a chance to discuss it.

[rev]

I have said it before, I will say it again.
If the government spent money to slow and then reverse growth in road freight, putting it on rails, and offered better public transport in the form of heavy rail to more places, it would not have to spend all this money on South Road at all.
And while you're on the subject of short-term pain for long-term gain, what about peak oil? What about Global Warming and Kyoto? What about the costs of upkeep- roads with such heavy use will need regular and frequent repairs, while in the long term, rail is probably the cheaper option afterall!

Peak oil? Nowhere near reaching peak. The Saudis have recently said they are ready to increase output. Iraq is nowhere near its output capacity either. The huge oil fields in the north of Iraq are almost untouched.
Don't be fooled by the high prices we are paying now, that the end is near.
For example America is sitting on top of an oil reserve thats estimated to be between 175 and 500 billion barrels. It's been known about for decades but until the better part of the last decade was ignored because of the low cost of oil. Now they can make a profit. Not to mention over 10 billion in Alaska. America could become self reliant in regards to oil, if it's political leadership was not in bed with the Saudis.
Brazil has made a big new find too.
There are plans to drill off the coast of Sydney to search for oil and gas.
Russia has so much untapped reserves.

The problem isn't we are running out of oil, the problem is political. You might have noticed in the west there is a push from many governments toward renewable energy and cars not powered by oil. The price of oil has gone up a few hundred percent in this decade alone. We are being ripped off in a big way. It is no wonder people in Europe are starting to take to the streets and riot. I'll stop there before I start to sound like a conspiracy nutter.

[rev]

I have said it before, I will say it again.
If the government spent money to slow and then reverse growth in road freight, putting it on rails, and offered better public transport in the form of heavy rail to more places, it would not have to spend all this money on South Road at all.
And while you're on the subject of short-term pain for long-term gain, what about peak oil? What about Global Warming and Kyoto? What about the costs of upkeep- roads with such heavy use will need regular and frequent repairs, while in the long term, rail is probably the cheaper option afterall!

Peak oil? Nowhere near reaching peak. The Saudis have recently said they are ready to increase output. Iraq is nowhere near its output capacity either. The huge oil fields in the north of Iraq are almost untouched.
Don't be fooled by the high prices we are paying now, that the end is near.
For example America is sitting on top of an oil reserve thats estimated to be between 175 and 500 billion barrels. It's been known about for decades but until the better part of the last decade was ignored because of the low cost of oil. Now they can make a profit. Not to mention over 10 billion in Alaska. America could become self reliant in regards to oil, if it's political leadership was not in bed with the Saudis. That would free up over 14-15million barrels of oil annually for the rest of the world..and that's a heck of a lot.
Brazil has made a big new find too.
There are plans to drill off the coast of Sydney to search for oil and gas.
Russia has so much untapped reserves.

The problem isn't we are running out of oil, the problem is political. You might have noticed in the west there is a push from many governments toward renewable energy and cars not powered by oil. The price of oil has gone up a few hundred percent in this decade alone. We are being ripped off in a big way. It is no wonder people in Europe are starting to take to the streets and riot. I'll stop there before I start to sound like a conspiracy nutter.

[Norman]

Peak Oil or no Peak Oil, it remains a depletable resource.

[Benski81]

I have said it before, I will say it again.
If the government spent money to slow and then reverse growth in road freight, putting it on rails, and offered better public transport in the form of heavy rail to more places, it would not have to spend all this money on South Road at all.
And while you're on the subject of short-term pain for long-term gain, what about peak oil? What about Global Warming and Kyoto? What about the costs of upkeep- roads with such heavy use will need regular and frequent repairs, while in the long term, rail is probably the cheaper option afterall!

Peak oil? Nowhere near reaching peak. The Saudis have recently said they are ready to increase output. Iraq is nowhere near its output capacity either. The huge oil fields in the north of Iraq are almost untouched.
Don't be fooled by the high prices we are paying now, that the end is near.
For example America is sitting on top of an oil reserve thats estimated to be between 175 and 500 billion barrels. It's been known about for decades but until the better part of the last decade was ignored because of the low cost of oil. Now they can make a profit. Not to mention over 10 billion in Alaska. America could become self reliant in regards to oil, if it's political leadership was not in bed with the Saudis.
Brazil has made a big new find too.
There are plans to drill off the coast of Sydney to search for oil and gas.
Russia has so much untapped reserves.

The problem isn't we are running out of oil, the problem is political. You might have noticed in the west there is a push from many governments toward renewable energy and cars not powered by oil. The price of oil has gone up a few hundred percent in this decade alone. We are being ripped off in a big way. It is no wonder people in Europe are starting to take to the streets and riot. I'll stop there before I start to sound like a conspiracy nutter.

Screw rail, I am amazed that we are still even using hydrocarbons made from crude oil for fuel! Has anyone ever googled BMW Hydrogen car? They've developed a 7 series that runs purely on hydrogen. Why is this good you ask, well because:

2H2 + O2 -------> 2H2O

So essentially what they're doing is using solar power to generate the electricity to break down water molecules into hydrogen and oxygen and then storing the hydrogen under pressure which can then be used as fuel in an internal combustion engine for cars. The by product of burning hydrogen is of course water, so it's a never ending fuel source. And for those who don't know pure hydrogen and oxygen is what they're using to launch rockets into space, so when you see those things taking off the launch pad that huge cloud of smoke isn't actually smoke at all it's just steam. So who cares if we're running out of oil or not, and by the way current estimates put a 15 year cap on oil supplies given the growth in demand from china and india, why aren't we pressuring governments to make the switch to hydrogen economies? What's the figure, something like 80% of our planet is covered in water? Wouldn't that drastically reduce transport costs, it's hardly a limited resource like current crude stocks not to mention there aren't exactly any exploration or refinement costs associated with it are there now. Would this not drastically reduce the costs of transport?!

Anyway that's just a little "fuel for thought", sorry couldn't help myself.

cheers

[Norman]

Honda has also had Hydrogen concept cars for a few years now... and is now in production.

[Benski81]

Honda has also had Hydrogen concept cars for a few years now... and is now in production.

The only thing with that though is I think they use the hydrogen to produce electricity and those cars are actually running on electric engines? So I don't think they're internal combustion engines, but I could be wrong though?

[AtD]

Two points:
Hydrogen can be sourced from three areas: Crude Oil (bad), electrolosis (causing net energy loss), or biofuels (causing food shortages).

Secondly:
Who gives a fuck if either peak oil or global warming were true. What happened to good old SMOG? That's reason enough.

[rev]

Well the electric car has been around for a long, long time. It is not a new concept.
A Japanese company has also come up with an engine that runs purely on water.

Japanese invent car that runs on water
Reuters
Posted online: Friday , June 13, 2008 at 1409 hrs IST


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Friday, June 13: Tired of petrol prices rising daily at the pump? A Japanese company has invented an electric-powered, and environmentally friendly, car that it says runs solely on water.

Genepax unveiled the car in the western city of Osaka on Thursday, saying that a litre of any kind of water -- rain, river or sea -- was all you needed to get the engine going for about an hour at a speed of 80 km.

"The car will continue to run as long as you have a bottle of water to top up from time to time," Genepax CEO Kiyoshi Hirasawa told local broadcaster TV Tokyo.

"It does not require you to build up an infrastructure to recharge your batteries, which is usually the case for most electric cars," he added.

Once the water is poured into the tank at the back of the car, the a generator breaks it down and uses it to create electrical power, TV Tokyo said.

Whether the car makes it into showrooms remains to be seen. Genepax said it had just applied for a patent and is hoping to collaborate with Japanese auto manufacturers in the future.

Most big automakers, meanwhile, are working on fuel.

Watch a video of the car..it actually works.
http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=84561

Perhaps these few posts can be split into a seperate thread?

[rev]

Some more on fuel..

PETROL prices in Australia could soon reach $2 a litre unless governments around the world act to stop the manipulation of crude oil prices, the NRMA motoring organisation says.

Mr Evans said commodity speculators were manipulating the market and forcing up the price of crude oil.

Mr Evans said demand for oil had increased by four per cent in the last year but the price of crude had increased by more than 100 per cent.

"It doesn't quite add up," he said.

http://www.news.com.au/business/story/0 ... 62,00.html

Too right it doesn't add up.

Not so crazy now am I

[monotonehell]

Well the electric car has been around for a long, long time. It is not a new concept.
A Japanese company has also come up with an engine that runs purely on water.

Japanese invent car that runs on water
Reuters
Posted online: Friday , June 13, 2008 at 1409 hrs IST
Friday, June 13: Tired of petrol prices rising daily at the pump? A Japanese company has invented an electric-powered, and environmentally friendly, car that it says runs solely on water.

Genepax unveiled the car in the western city of Osaka on Thursday, saying that a litre of any kind of water -- rain, river or sea -- was all you needed to get the engine going for about an hour at a speed of 80 km.

"The car will continue to run as long as you have a bottle of water to top up from time to time," Genepax CEO Kiyoshi Hirasawa told local broadcaster TV Tokyo.

"It does not require you to build up an infrastructure to recharge your batteries, which is usually the case for most electric cars," he added.

Once the water is poured into the tank at the back of the car, the a generator breaks it down and uses it to create electrical power, TV Tokyo said.

Whether the car makes it into showrooms remains to be seen. Genepax said it had just applied for a patent and is hoping to collaborate with Japanese auto manufacturers in the future.

Most big automakers, meanwhile, are working on fuel.

Watch a video of the car..it actually works.
http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=84561

Perhaps these few posts can be split into a seperate thread?

FAKE, it breaks the First Law of Thermodynamics as you 'd need as much energy in breaking apart the H and O as you'd gain burning it. Even if they're using some kind of chemical reaction, that would require an external fuel as a reactant.

[AtD]

Anyway, about South Road...

Cyclists want better South Rd deal
Tue Jun 17, 2008
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008 ... n=business

Cyclists say an elevated bike lane should be part of the South Road-Anzac Highway redevelopment in Adelaide.

The South Australian Government says it is still holding public consultation on the plans, but does not intend building an overpass for cyclist and pedestrian use.

Jeremy Miller from the Bicycle Institute of South Australia says it would be a wasted opportunity.

"It seems to sort of really defeat the whole purpose of putting the trams up in the air when cyclists are going to be able to stop that flow of traffic on an adhoc basis as they approach South Road," he said.

"We'd much rather be going on a tramway overpass with the trams and have a cycle overpass built in conjunction with that.

"The whole idea of South Road is to become a continuous network for the cars, but cyclists will now have to approach South Road, press a button to get across and break that continuous flow of traffic, which seems a bit ridiculous from our point of view."

[cleverick]

Norman, hear, hear. What I worry about though is where all our plastics are coming from when we have burnt all the oil. Given that we have loads and loads of good alternatives to petrol, but none yet for plastics, it seems odd to me we should continue burning it.

[AG]

Norman, hear, hear. What I worry about though is where all our plastics are coming from when we have burnt all the oil. Given that we have loads and loads of good alternatives to petrol, but none yet for plastics, it seems odd to me we should continue burning it.

There are alternatives starting to emerge in the production of plastics to the use of crude oil, many still in development stage. One new type of plastic that is starting to be used is one that is made from polyactice acid in corn starch.