re-elect who though?Paulns wrote:What else are these clowns in Government not telling us???? Time for a re-election.



re-elect who though?Paulns wrote:What else are these clowns in Government not telling us???? Time for a re-election.
anyone.ricecrackers wrote:re-elect who though?Paulns wrote:What else are these clowns in Government not telling us???? Time for a re-election.
![]()
![]()
the cost of building a stadium like that would be huge, movable/adjustable grandstands are alot more expensive to build and maintain.venue man wrote:Hi there i'm new
I have a few suggestions in regards to adelaide oval and adelaide united.
Adelaide should build a stadium that changes capacity depending on event. Example if adelaide united play the capacity of the stadium should be 31,000, similar to aami park melbourne. If a major event comes to town, like socceroos, wallabies, state of origin, with the use of retractable seats behind the goal posts, the capacity would change to 40000. 4500 seats on each end. These retractable seats would therefore appear and disappear.
Costing of stadium:Reports suggests 250 million. I reckon you should build a cost effective stadium to convince the state govern ment to build. Example win stadium in wollongong they are going to build a grandstand of 6100 seats worth 29 million dollars. Do the maths, in adelaide for a 40000 seat stadium,(with 9000 retractable seats) the cost would be roughly 200 million.
You could also transfer 9000 seats from hindmarsh and take it to the new stadium and use it on those retractable. Besides Hindmarsh was recently deveoped in 2000. THat is also a cheaper option. Get a sponsor to have naming rights to the stadium, and therefore you make the stadium viable.
Spending 450 million on an upgrade of adelaide oval is nuts. As for afl, well they can fund it, thats one way of stopping them from poaching nrl players.
On this point, at least, you can rest assured that we've got some way to go to reach "most expensive in the world" territory. Back in the US of A, you havestumpjumper wrote:There is a costing floating around of $800 million for stage two plus associated work at AO, making the whole project worth just under a billion for a non-FIFA compliant non-rectangular horseshoe shaped open stadium with the biggest grandstand facing the afternoon sun and the prevailing wind, certainly the most expensive sports stadium in Australia and probably in the world, while simultaneously being one of the worst-designed and least profitable.
Straze wrote:Here are some facts from the AAMI Stadium website: AAMI Stadium is the biggest sports venue in South Australia ..... the playing arena spans around 2 million hectares.
I doubt very much this will go ahead as recent reports suggest our WC bid is sunk due to the FFA not getting sufficient buy in from around the nation.stumpjumper wrote:Hmm. I hear the trumpeting of a big white elephant loud and clear, and it's down at Adelaide Oval.
We're in big trouble. On the weekend I attended a social function with some employees of a couple of the contractors involved at AO.
Apparently, current thinking in Foley's office is that we won't get the the World Cup and that Stage Two won't be built - and we'll use the excuse of expense.
I asked why, if the Western Grandstand would cost, according to Ian McLachlan, $10,000 per seat or $145 million (even though nearly 200% over budget), then why would stage two of say 30,000 seats cost more than $450 million - ie for $15,000 per seat?
The reason is that the government wants out, although they will offer to put up the $450 million if AOSMA will put up the rest. AOSMA says the risk is too high (ie the return is too low) for them to actually risk a dollar of their own. I was told (but can't confirm) that the government even paid for Demetriou to come over here, so the AFL's exposure will remain at $0.
There is a costing floating around of $800 million for stage two plus associated work at AO, making the whole project worth just under a billion for a non-FIFA compliant non-rectangular horseshoe shaped open stadium with the biggest grandstand facing the afternoon sun and the prevailing wind, certainly the most expensive sports stadium in Australia and probably in the world, while simultaneously being one of the worst-designed and least profitable. As a bonus, the National Trust is likely to request the government to remove the state heritage listing from Adelaide Oval. If the colossal stage two is built, it's also unlikely that the quaint cricket venue will retain its reputation as the World's Most Beautiful Oval.
If it the whole SACA dream were built, the resulting pile of debt and half-baked stadium would be a suitable flourish for the retirement of our Treasurer Kevin Foley, who by his own admission is 'not the sharpest tool in the shed' and who 'makes mistakes, too many' and has 'made the wrong decision, too often'.
Our track record shows that when you mix politics with sports stadia in Adelaide, the result is often flawed - eg Hindmarsh and to a lesser extent AAMI.
It appears that the contract for the Western Grandstand is of the open book or cost plus type, which heavily favours the contractors who have no reason to contain costs - put simply they charge the client what they say work has cost them plus a percentage for profit. The alternative, a fixed price contract with a delivery date, penalties and cost increases only by agreed variation is a lot tougher on contractors but is generally favoured by people using their own money.
It has been well documented that the straight boundry which results in the "D" shape of the oval has been rounded to "ovalise" the playing area and remove those deep, impossible pockets. This is part of the current western grand stand development. The above image will no longer be applicable and in fact that was just a map handed out to saca members showing the temporary re-allocation of ticketing during the construction period.stumpjumper wrote:Just out of interest. Note that the shape of Adelaide Oval is different to that shown. I'm just listening to Aurelio Vidmar stating the logic behind a new, Etihad style stadium. The fundamental problem here is that SA is run not by statesmen and women with the interest of the state at heart, but by a bunch of greedy bastards who just want to keep their a*ses planted firmly on the comfortable leather of the Treasury benches. So if pushing redevelopment of Adelaide Oval got them through the March election, they didn't care whether the idea was do-able, since they planned to ditch it after the election anyway.
Users browsing this forum: Amazon [Bot], Google [Bot], Google Adsense [Bot], Mpol02, VinyTapestry849, Will and 8 guests