[COM] Adelaide Convention Centre - Stage 3 | $350m

[peas_and_corn]

My main issue with the riverbank is that it's just so isolated. Most people spend their time on Rundle street/mall, how would you get there from Rundle? Along north terrace between where the people are and the riverbank is a line of buildings that obscure the riverbank making it seem... well, distant.

[ginger-geordie]

i have a solution for how people can get from rundle mall to the new convention centre: they walk there. Why consider building transport for everywhere before theres any reason to go there? maybe in a decade, if there is a new convention centre or a new stadium ( a much better idea) and there are so many people trying to get there that there are problems, then consider transport options. But now there needs to be more reasons to visit adelaide, and there needs to be attractions spread across the cbd. at the moment, you go to the market, then go to rundle mall and then wander to the torrens. And that is adelaide. it wouldnt even take a day for someone who visited on holiday. maybe if there wasnt as much transport, it would take more time to see adelaide attractions, and it would seem like there is more to see here. and also, why on earth would you want to waste so much money and space on a big empty that could possibly hold an annual event that the vast majority of people dont care about. a venue for a boat or car show should be built outside the cbd in my opinion. also In my opinion, there should be a victoria square redevelopment, a new stadium at bonython park ( or the railyards) and a cinema/ entertainment building with cafes and restaurants on the torrens bank. yes, it would be expensive, but its a big investment that would make adelaide a worthy place to visit.

[shaun]

maybe if there wasnt as much transport, it would take more time to see adelaide attractions, and it would seem like there is more to see here.

So less public transport options would be good for tourists?. Right

and also, why on earth would you want to waste so much money and space on a big empty that could possibly hold an annual event that the vast majority of people dont care about. a venue for a boat or car show should be built outside the cbd in my opinion.

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In your opinion. There is already a venue outside of the city, it's called the Adelaide Showgrounds.

[Aidan]

i have a solution for how people can get from rundle mall to the new convention centre: they walk there.

The problem isn't getting to the convention centre (new or otherwise), it's getting to the riverbank. It's a bit far to expect people to walk - obviously they can, but that doesn't mean they will.

Why consider building transport for everywhere before theres any reason to go there?

Because failing to consider it results in substandard transport, and transport problems prevent development

maybe in a decade, if there is a new convention centre or a new stadium ( a much better idea) and there are so many people trying to get there that there are problems, then consider transport options. But now there needs to be more reasons to visit adelaide, and there needs to be attractions spread across the cbd. at the moment, you go to the market, then go to rundle mall and then wander to the torrens. And that is adelaide. it wouldnt even take a day for someone who visited on holiday.

Why should it when there are so many attractions in the suburbs?

maybe if there wasnt as much transport, it would take more time to see adelaide attractions, and it would seem like there is more to see here.

Firstly the transport is one of the attractions.
Secondly, they wouldn't see as much in the same amount of time, so their memories of Adelaide would be that there's less to see here.

and also, why on earth would you want to waste so much money and space on a big empty that could possibly hold an annual event that the vast majority of people dont care about. a venue for a boat or car show should be built outside the cbd in my opinion.

There already is one, as crawf has pointed out, and upgrading the showgrounds is a much better solution than expanding the Convention Centre. Even so, the assumption in your question is wrong. The Convention Centre is well used, and demand is likely to keep growing.

also In my opinion, there should be a victoria square redevelopment, a new stadium at bonython park ( or the railyards)

The railyards would certainly be a good place for a new soccer stadium!

and a cinema/ entertainment building with cafes and restaurants on the torrens bank. yes, it would be expensive, but its a big investment that would make adelaide a worthy place to visit.

That would be a silly place to put a cinema. It's not that easy to get to, and cinemas have to be cut off from their surroundings.

There are many places that huge windowless buildings would be appropriate, but that isn't one of them.

[iTouch]

Firstly the transport is one of the attractions.

I laughed at this
No offence but I (along with most normal people) didn't go to Movieworld to check out the bus that took me there
I also didn't go to Sydney for the prime purpose of checking out their dodgy bus system rather then going to see Centrepoint

[Aidan]

Firstly the transport is one of the attractions.

I laughed at this
No offence but I (along with most normal people) didn't go to Movieworld to check out the bus that took me there
I also didn't go to Sydney for the prime purpose of checking out their dodgy bus system rather then going to see Centrepoint

But while you were there you didn't cross the Harbour Bridge? Or ride on any of the ferries?

Our O-bahn is a tourist attraction. So is the Glenelg Tram, though probably not as much as it was when the Hs ruled.

BTW when I went to Sydney, checking out its dodgy bus system actually was one of the things I did

[spiller]

transport is not an attraction, although maybe some Adelaidians feel like it is because we are so desperately lacking in good PT. Aidan, you need to get out more!

[Waewick]

I just got back from Tokyo...talk about PT!!!!!

[Hooligan]

Our O-bahn is a tourist attraction. So is the Glenelg Tram, though probably not as much as it was when the Hs ruled.

BTW when I went to Sydney, checking out its dodgy bus system actually was one of the things I did

Geez you talk some bullshit.

How's the Australasian Tunnelling Society going by the way?

[rhino]

While public transport isn't an attraction per se, it's certainly something you remember from a visit to a city. Getting around in a strange city when you don't have a car, you can't help but remember how good or bad the public transport was, and that does influence your view of the city: "Some nice things, but impossible to get around - wasted heaps of time" or "Saw heaps - easy to get to things".

[Stubbo]

While public transport isn't an attraction per se, it's certainly something you remember from a visit to a city. Getting around in a strange city when you don't have a car, you can't help but remember how good or bad the public transport was, and that does influence your view of the city: "Some nice things, but impossible to get around - wasted heaps of time" or "Saw heaps - easy to get to things".

Exactly, when in Singapore, I clearly remember there cheap taxi system, the cable cars etc. Same when I go to Melbourne, I love walking to a tram stop without having a timetable to predict the next tram time. Same with Sydneys rail network (as long as you dont need to transfer to a bus to complete your journey).

The majority of tourists do not travel to a city to view it's public transport system. However when travelling you do take notice (and are likely to return) to places that are easy to navigate.

[Pikey]

I hope the counciller is reading this thread (and his first act as mayor ) is to get this through....atleast in a preliminary stage.

Whilst i'd love some more details in prinicipal it sounds fantastic and in reality a commerical entity assisting in the upgrade of the area is a postive.

As for the train station, I agree it should be returned as the interstate arrival point for all trains.

This.

[shaun]

I thought it wasn't possible anymore due to the buildings west of the railway station?. I hope I'm wrong though, Keswick is rubbish

Station Place could be made into pickup/drop off zone for passengers.

[AG]

I thought it wasn't possible anymore due to the buildings west of the railway station?. I hope I'm wrong though, Keswick is rubbish

Station Place could be made into pickup/drop off zone for passengers.

It's possible, but not without considerable structural changes to both the track layout around Adelaide station and the station layout itself. The interstate trains can't just magically jump from the standard gauge to the broad gauge tracks and so that would need to be dealt with along with the length of the trains themselves, and the possibility of conflicting with movements on the suburban network.

[monotonehell]

...The suggestion for a new casino in the old RAH site was complete rubbish, a redeveloped river front precinct is exactly where it needs to be...

Okay, this might very well be true. But you can't just say so without some kind of supporting argument. If you can then your kitchen is equally suited.

Come on then (playing devil's advocate here):
Why is the Torrens Lake site more suited than the ex-RAH site? Considering that the ex-RAH site is right next to the East End and Rundle Street's restaurant precinct. Where as the Torrens Lake site is in the middle of nowhere pedestrian speaking.

(I'm just trying to raise the level of debate to something well above that of Adelaide-Now. I'd like to see some more thoughtful points made here.)