News & Discussion: O-Bahn

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Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn

#1156 Post by Kasey771 » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:48 am

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I think part of the study will determine whether to have bus lanes or a track.

8 months is enough time for this to be included in the next state budget of it goes ahead.
Golden Grove road is sorely in need of a makeover. No reason why there cant be a separated bus lane (O-bahn-lite) and a bicycle lane from the Western side of G G rd near Milne road up to the Grove Way.
Big infrastructure investments are usually under-valued and & over-criticized while in the planning stage. It's much easier to envision the here and now costs and inconveniences, and far more difficult to imagine fully the eventual benefits.

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Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn

#1157 Post by Goodsy » Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:39 am

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I thought the land corridor had already been preserved for the OBahn extension to Golden Grove.

You can see it on Google Maps - veering left just before Grenfell Road through the park and onto Avalon Drive through to the Golden Grove Shopping Centre.
I thought the corridor was McIntyre road?

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Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn

#1158 Post by monotonehell » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:25 am

[Shuz] wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:19 am
I thought the land corridor had already been preserved for the OBahn extension to Golden Grove.

You can see it on Google Maps - veering left just before Grenfell Road through the park and onto Avalon Drive through to the Golden Grove Shopping Centre.
That's not a route - that's a creek.
Exit on the right in the direction of travel.

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Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn

#1159 Post by [Shuz] » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:34 am

GoodSmackUp wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:39 am
[Shuz] wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:19 am
I thought the land corridor had already been preserved for the OBahn extension to Golden Grove.

You can see it on Google Maps - veering left just before Grenfell Road through the park and onto Avalon Drive through to the Golden Grove Shopping Centre.
I thought the corridor was McIntyre road?
McIntyre Road is the corridor / reservation for the northern leg of the Modbury Freeway (MATS Plan).
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Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn

#1160 Post by monotonehell » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:36 am

[Shuz] wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:34 am
GoodSmackUp wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:39 am
[Shuz] wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:19 am
I thought the land corridor had already been preserved for the OBahn extension to Golden Grove.

You can see it on Google Maps - veering left just before Grenfell Road through the park and onto Avalon Drive through to the Golden Grove Shopping Centre.
I thought the corridor was McIntyre road?
McIntyre Road is the corridor / reservation for the northern leg of the Modbury Freeway (MATS Plan).
As was the current OBahn corridor a reserve for the NE Freeway.
Exit on the right in the direction of travel.

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Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn

#1161 Post by [Shuz] » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:39 am

The O-Bahn track beyond Grand Junction Road was not part of Modbury / NE Freeway corridor. Freeway would have cut through in between NE Road and Trellois Street / Grenache Avenue to join up with with what is now McIntrye Road.
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Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn

#1162 Post by Goodsy » Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:05 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y6Ay5c_7T4&t=7m45s

there's look at the NEAPTR, at about 7 minute's 45 seconds if the link doesnt work.

is Neil on sensaionaladelaide? seems like the kind of guy who'd fit in around here. Although he has a grudge against trams

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Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn

#1163 Post by PeFe » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:46 pm

Article from In Daily discussing Golden Grove Road issues.
Govt won’t rule out demolishing houses for O-Bahn extension

The State Government says it is too early to know whether it will have to knock over houses for its proposed O-Bahn extension to Golden Grove.

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A Google Maps satellite-road map hybrid image showing houses and businesses aligned closely to Golden Grove Road.

The Government this morning announced it would spend $500,000 on a feasibility study to consider the merits extending the O-Bahn – the high-speed, guided bus corridor that currently runs from Tea Tree Plaza to the CBD – to Golden Grove in Adelaide’s northeast.

Transport Minister Stephen Mullighan told morning radio widening Golden Grove Road was one of the options under consideration to accommodate the proposed extension.

Golden Grove Road is surrounded by parks on both sides for much of its length – however, at some points, the boundaries of houses and businesses come near to the road.

Asked whether the extension would necessitate houses being demolished, a Government spokesperson did not rule out the possibility.

“It is too early to say which route an extension of the O-Bahn bus network would likely take,” the spokesperson told InDaily in response.

“Possible routes will be considered as part of the feasibility study.”

Mullighan told ABC Radio Adelaide this morning that the study would consider “what the possible alignments are, whether it’s a new track that needs to be installed – similar to what we’ve currently got on the O-Bahn – or whether we try and augment the existing road network, for example, Golden Grove Road, to try and get some extra capacity on there so that the buses can effectively run as express along that road”.

“We just need to work out not just what the costs are but I guess what that additional benefit would be of having a track over a road-based solution,” he said.

Full article : https://indaily.com.au/news/local/2017/ ... extension/

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Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn

#1164 Post by Goodsy » Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:44 pm

they probably won't go for the most expensive option, but I hope moving the TTP interchange closer to TTP itself is atleast looked at. a portal starting south of Smart Road, running under Tea Tree Plus and a portal on the west side of Golden Grove Road

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Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn

#1165 Post by Brucetiki » Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:47 pm

InDaily getting slammed for their negative headline about the extension - and rightly so.

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Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn

#1166 Post by PeFe » Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:49 pm

Can anyone explain to me the business case for the 0-Bahn extension along Golden Grove Road?
I know (politically) what its about......marginal seats in the north eastern suburbs.

I would rather see the money spent on.....
- Gawler and Outer Harbor train line electrification, including a more aggressive policy of grade separation and some sort of master plan for those train lines that involves station culling and upgrades, and transport orientated developments.

- Even along the current O-Bahn there is virtually no development, no medium density apartments bringing people closer to frequent reliable public transport. The O-Bahn terminus at the TTP end is a shambles, with poor connectivity to the (boring) shopping centre.
Can someone from the DPTI please spend $89 on Tiger flights each way to Sydney and check out Chatswood, St Leonards, Paramatta train stations and see how they have been integrated into the local shopping precincts, with residential built above or near-by.

So many better ways to spend money achieving greater outcomes........

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Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn

#1167 Post by Kasey771 » Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:01 am

PeFe wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:49 pm
Can anyone explain to me the business case for the 0-Bahn extension along Golden Grove Road?
I know (politically) what its about......marginal seats in the north eastern suburbs.

I would rather see the money spent on.....
- Gawler and Outer Harbor train line electrification, including a more aggressive policy of grade separation and some sort of master plan for those train lines that involves station culling and upgrades, and transport orientated developments.

- Even along the current O-Bahn there is virtually no development, no medium density apartments bringing people closer to frequent reliable public transport. The O-Bahn terminus at the TTP end is a shambles, with poor connectivity to the (boring) shopping centre.
Can someone from the DPTI please spend $89 on Tiger flights each way to Sydney and check out Chatswood, St Leonards, Paramatta train stations and see how they have been integrated into the local shopping precincts, with residential built above or near-by.

So many better ways to spend money achieving greater outcomes........
Wasn't a proposal to build a multi-storey carpark over Paradise I/C (thereby enclosing it and improving it in Winter conditions) shouted down by local residents?

IIRC of course to make it viable for a developer to sink their money into it apartments were to be built on top of the carpark. The usual FRUITS (FeaR of Urban Infil& Towers) got on their hobby horse of uh-oh, 6 storeys = highrise tower in the suburbs so must be bad news and shouted it down
Big infrastructure investments are usually under-valued and & over-criticized while in the planning stage. It's much easier to envision the here and now costs and inconveniences, and far more difficult to imagine fully the eventual benefits.

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Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn

#1168 Post by EBG » Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:25 pm

Up date of the steel structures at the northern entrance on Hackney Rd. There are more arches to be installed .These are spread out in the central island waiting to be installed .Similar steel work is at the western entrance near Grenfell St.
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Re: News & Discussion: O-Bahn

#1170 Post by adelaide transport » Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:57 pm

Driver training starts tomorrow-2 weeks? Does that mean Sunday 17th is start date of new timetables with the tunnel open to service traffic?

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